a radical definition of feminism

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  1. Statistically men are far more at risk of violence than women. Yet women FEEL more unsafe than men do, even though it is men who are more at risk of actually BEING victims of violence.

    This is because (a) society cares more about women’s safety than men’s and (b) testosterone is known to promote less aversion to risk-taking behaviour (such as climbing trees, extreme sports or walking home alone at night).

    So feminism is actually the notion that feminists’ feelings matter more than FACTS and BIOLOGY.

    I say ‘feminist’ rather than ‘women’ because the majority of women reject feminism (92% UK, 82% US)

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    1. Men are more at risk of violence because the violence is caused by other men. Men are the majority rapists of both men and women. Clearly that is the problem here.

      Society doesn’t care more about women’s safety over men’s or there wouldn’t be so many things that blame women for getting raped (she was wearing revealing clothing/she was drunk/she chose to walk home alone at night). And society definitely doesn’t put any form of onus on ensuring women’s safety, we are always held responsible and expected to do that for ourselves.

      Really I’d school you better but I’m in town and replying on my phone rather than at home on my laptop with reams and reams of notes that support what I’m saying.

      Also you are saying ‘feminists’ because you are talking about feminists. Of course all women aren’t feminists, that would be a ridiculous claim, as are any claims of ‘all men’. Your statistics aren’t referenced so how are we to know if they are valid.

      More importantly, the main issue is that society does not have a proper grasp of feminism as a subject and as a movement – I highly doubt that 92% of women would so adamantly claim that they are not feminists because that means that they do not believe in gender equality, that they do not support having the right to vote and many basic human rights and workers rights.

      It’s a shame that my first ever comment is negative backlash from someone who clearly doesn’t know their stuff – as always. But then again that’s what you get for daring to talk about feminism.

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      1. I was only explaining the issue in terms of facts. Facts are facts.

        Violence and fear are a problem which nobody wants. The fact is western women are the safest, most protected and LEAST likely to encounter violence demographic which has ever existed in human history. That in itself explains why so many western women fear violence (and are easy to have their fears pumped up by feminist ‘rape culture’ fear mongers). They fear it because they have never experienced it, so it is like thinking about a parachute jump when you’ve never done one before. We always fear the unknown more than the known.

        Some guy who has had to deal with hostility, violence, fights etc all his life will have developed psychological and practical strategies to deal with those situations and he will have confidence in his ability to handle it (because he has handled it in the past and he is still here!).

        It’s interesting that you react so negatively to being told women are safer than men statistically. Not one drop of compassion towards men was expressed in your reply (for being the greater victims)…… instead you defended the narrative of women being society’s default victims…. almost as if you wanted it to be so.

        Why might you want women to be (perceived) as society’s default victims?

        Well lets think about it….. being perceived as society’s default victims is a coveted position to be in. It means you get automatic sympathy, protection, resources, special treatment etc.

        Perhaps you feel threatened by the fact that men are actually the majority of victims of violence in society. Based on facts (rather than feelings) men deserve to occupy that position of ‘default victim’ in society…. at least when it comes to violence. And men deserve our compassion, sympathy, special treatment and resources.

        Defining men as number one victims in society is totally logical (the facts back it up) …. and yet it seems preposterous doesn’t it?

        Even defining men as *equal* victims seems preposterous….

        Why is that? Men are the majority of victims of violence, men have lower life expectancy, men account for 95% of workplace deaths, men do the majority of dangerous jobs in society, men are expected to take the most risks and put themselves in danger – especially to help women (he for she). Men have always been sent off to war to be slaughtered like livestock while women got to stay at home. Men are the majority of suicides and homeless.

        Yet we all insist women are the default victims in society. Even most men will insist this is the case!

        Why is that? We do we insist that women must occupy that coveted role of ‘biggest victim’ and therefore be entitled to the bulk of society’s sympathy, compassion, resources, protection and other help?

        Could it be that we are hard wired to view the genders that way?

        Could it be that traditional gender roles DEMAND we view men as strong and invulnerable …… and women as weak and vulnerable? (regardless of the facts)

        Try flipping the genders just for fun …..women are the majority of victims of violence, women have lower life expectancy, women account for 95% of workplace deaths, women do the majority of dangerous jobs in society, women are expected to take the most risks and put themselves in danger – especially to help men (she for he). Women have always been sent off to war to war to be slaughtered like livestock while men got to stay at home. Women are the majority of suicides and homeless.

        In that universe what if men claimed they were society’s victims? ….. and what if most women agreed with them?

        Wouldn’t that be a peculiar world!? 😉

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  2. Your need to play top trumps with violence is very interesting. Your attempt to evaluate me is also very interesting.

    I’m going to assume that you do not have an accurate grasp of feminism because on a post about women you have felt the need to claim that men have it worse. It is not a contest, it is a need to change behaviours due to behavioural trends and a need to quash gender stereotypes and gender roles.

    Feminism strives to better the world for all genders, I find it interesting that you are not fighting the corner for people that don’t fit into the gender binary. I shall assume, therefore, that you are male. I am female, and I have chosen to make a female oriented post on my blog. That is because, as a female, I can relate to female oppression more readily and more easily than I can to the male problems that you have talked about. You cannot assume that I don’t have a shred of compassion for male problems from one thing that I have shared about feminism. You are chewing me out me for choosing to share something that relates to me, which is wonderfully ironic because in doing so you are suggesting that what relates to you is more important.

    I can already tell that this is going to be one hell of a lengthy post because so many of the things that you’ve said need addressing. Wow.

    This old chestnut again, ‘women in the western world have it so much better than women anywhere else, therefore feminism isn’t needed in the western world any more/you should just suck up any problems that you are having because they are not as bad as those others are having’ etc etc. Yes, well pointed out Captain Obvious, the experiences of women in the western world are very, very different from those in the rest of the world. Here are some facts, as we all know how much you like facts. Around the world, more than 200 million girls and women alive today have been cut in 30 countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia where female genital mutilation is concentrated http://bit.ly/NbKzmv, girls run the very real risk of violence just for going to school (a plight now known the world over due to the experiences of Malala Yousafzai, therefore not going to reference as there are hundreds available) and the fact that despite African Americans and Hispanics representing 28% of all women in the U.S. but they account for 80% of HIV cases among women. The fact that In sub-Saharan Africa, women constitute 58% of all people living with HIV. The fact that for women aged 15-49 (their reproductive years), HIV/AIDS is the leading cause of death. http://bit.ly/1BE0a15

    To suggest that women in the west are hysterically MORE afraid of ‘rape culture’ (your use of quote marks leads me to believe that you do not accept rape culture is real, I’m sure we’ll go toe to toe on that later) than the fear that these millions of women live with is a truly wildly laughable notion. To liken these experiences to fear before your first parachute jump is just plain disgusting.

    Also, your claim that there is an element of the ‘unkown’ here is not true. Just read through the accounts on http://www.everydaysexism.com to see what women experience as they go through their normal, day to day lives. Women don’t just walk around thinking that they’re going to get raped that day, or some other day. They might be walking to the shop, to a friend’s house or to a club when a man comments on a part of their body, when they ignore him that man might get aggressive. When he gets aggressive and puts a hand on her shoulder, demanding a response and blocking her path, THAT’s when she gets worried that he might get violent. THAT’s when she becomes so, acutely aware, that he’s twice her size and that he could pick her up and carry her off somewhere. This has happened to me before, it has happened to my friends, it has happened to my enemies. It has happened to my Mum.

    Being harassed on the street happens to women every day. Being sexually harassed in the workplace happens to women every day. These are the problems that women face in the west, yes they are different to those experiences in the rest of the world, yes they are less severe on the whole. But no, that does not mean we should stop striving to end them. Should we stop trying to end 0 hour contracts because at least those people have jobs? Should we just drop all of our worker rights and stop trying to improve them because people in other parts of the world don’t have them? No, that is ludicrous. We should try to improve things for ourselves, and we should also try to improve things in the rest of the world.

    I’m not sure where you’ve grown up or what ‘some guy’ you are referring to, but most of my male friends are heterosexual and white. The majority of them haven’t really had to deal with a disproportionate amount of hostility, violence or fights due to their gender. Although the gay male friends that I have have definitely had to deal with hostility – homophobia, homophobic street harassment etc. However, the problems that have been faced by the majority of my male friends are to do with their socialisation and how they are expected to act. Due to harmful gender stereotypes, they are never allowed to appear weak. This means not being in tune with their emotions, not processing emotions properly which for one friend does mean his anger gets built up and he used to get violent. The expectation of having everything together, ‘bringing home the bacon’, carrying their families. All of this puts incredible stress on them, stresses different to those that us women face (and of course ones that I don’t have personal experience with so don’t post about as much, apparently something you would take great offence to as your experiences are more important) and stresses that I find damaging and feel must be prevented. This is why suicide is the leading killer of men.

    Suicide being one of the leading killers of men the world over is a fact that I’m well aware of. Let’s look into some stats for the UK; according to the Samaritans there were 6,233 suicides in 2013. Although the average comes out at 11.9 per 100,000 when we break it into the stats for men and for women it’s incredibly telling – 19.0 per 100,000 for men and 5.1 per 100,000 for women. http://bit.ly/1Xgin18
    There has got to be (nay, there is) a reason for male suicide rates to be almost 4x more than female. It all comes down to how men are perceived and are expected to act. And feminists are working to change these gender stereotypes. I myself have written posts on personal accounts talking about how this is a problem that clearly needs addressing due to the stats. But you wouldn’t know that from one of my posts, would you?

    What I find the most alarming about your comment – and alarming definitely is the right word to use here – is that you seem to believe being the victim is a coveted position. A position that men and woman are or should be fighting over. I, and feminism as a movement, doesn’t want there to be a victim. Who the hell would? The whole idea is to make the world a nicer and an easier place to live in, no power exchanges, no being threatened by one another, no competition.

    Also you seem to be hung up on your views about violence. When I post about feminism, it’s normally in the vein of sexual violence. Sexual harassment. Sexual assault. Intimate partner violence (domestic violence). If you actually include the ‘sexual’ before the ‘violence’ you will find that women are the majority ‘victims’. And men are the majority perpetrators of such violence against both women and men.

    Victims of any and all violence of course deserve compassion, sympathy and resources. But if we are to talk about rape, where there is a factual and clear disproportion between the genders (women are raped more) then the resources need to be divided in accordance to the need. Hence why there are more rape crisis centres that cater to women than there are that cater to men.

    Also your notion of women being considered the ‘biggest victim’ and getting the bulk of society’s compassion and resources isn’t true, if we were to talk about rape again the ideas about rape myths and preconceptions of people show that women are highly blamed for it if they are raped [‘“She deserved it”: Effects of Sexism Norms, Type of Violence and Victim’s Pre-Assault Behaviour and Blame Attributions Towards Female Victims and Approval of the Aggressor’s Behaviour’ (2014) in Violence Against Women 20(4) pp. 446-464 authors: Koepke, S., Eyssel, F and Bohner, G.].

    And to go back to the resources, if we are to talk about domestic violence (which has a higher rate of repeat victimisation than any other crime), where in England and Wales 2 women a week are killed by a current or former partner and globally, 1 in 3 women will experience violence at the hands of a male partner http://bit.ly/WMSuLa you would assume that these women are given utmost amounts of ‘society’s sympathy, compassion, resources, protection and other help’?
    Wrong. Survivors of DV are always asked why they didn’t leave, which wouldn’t necessarily change but possibly increase the problem seeing as the stats include women killed by a former partner. The very real threat of leaving is death. So your claims of society’s sympathy or compassion don’t hold up there. Let’s look at the resources, shall we. DV refuges are being forced to close across the UK due to them not taking male victims. The problem here again is the disproportionate need for the refuges between the genders. You cannot allocate an equal amount of refuges for men and for women if the male one is only ever half full and the female one is turning away thousands of women because it is full. It simply doesn’t make logical sense – resource allocation should be decided on the demand for it.

    I have brought up many, many facts here in this preposturously lengthy reply and yet I know that you will either dismiss or argue with them in your next reply. Where would your respect for facts and logical reasoning be then?

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  3. Oh I’ve just remembered you lamenting that men are sent off to be killed like livestock at war, that is because of benevolent sexism. Benevolent sexism is the idea that women are frail, vulnerable creatures that need male love and protection.

    Benevolent sexism is not being considered worthy enough to fight for your country. And as it now stands, women have fought for the right to join the army and more recently fought for the right to fight on front lines. http://dailym.ai/1pkniSz

    Your problems clearly stand with archaic gender stereotypes, with the things that you come across as opposing you sound as though you are a feminist. Whether you know and like that fact or not.

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